Health Care Reform

Health Care Reform

What are both sides saying about this? What's there's one side, the other side, and the truth, but what's the truth?

I have a feeling I’m going to step in it today.  I’ve been trying to research the health care reform bill over the past few days, as I mentioned in last weeks blog.  Unfortunately I didn’t get any responses from people explaining to me what they liked/disliked about the bill itself.  So, I’ve had to do my own digging, and listening to media outlets & opinions that simply state, ” like/dislike it because I don’t/do like it.”  Which to me makes no sense what-so-ever!

*UPDATE* One of my friends posted this small questionnaire from the Washington Post, that has you answer four questions for yourself to see how the new reform will affect you.  According to my answers, nothing will change for me in my coverage nor my taxes, according to my tax bracket.

So, today, as I was super busy yesterday & last night, I’m reading up on my Facebook comments from friends.  I come from a Red State majority and grew up in the Bible belt of the U.S.  If you’re unfamiliar with that term, I recommend looking it up.  Needless to say, many of my friends are unhappy with the outcome of the vote.  Throughout the day, I’m going to post some of the comments & responses (without names) to see what others think of this, and to see if I’m grossly negligent in the information I have obtained to support my argument.

One thing that should be noted is that I have experience with Medicaid and state sponsored health insurance programs for those with little to no insurance, who cannot afford full private health insurance premiums due to income/family size.

The following comments come from my friends in Kansas (I grew up there until age 12. My parents & sister moved back in 1992, while I stayed in college in Texas):

Primary Comment:
Socialism is on its way unless the 3rd branch can gives us the needed balance of power. Of course, the process of a republican take over has begun.  Can somebody explain why a 26 year old should still be under his parents’ insurance? craziness

#2: Only if he is still a full time college student going to be a politician to stop the insanity? Im bout to toss out a 19 yr old myself lol

ME: Two words, graduate school. How many full time college students do you know who also have full time jobs that provide health insurance, or go to a school with a decent health facility for students?

Original Comment: Oh so we need a govt program to support the health of someone who decides to stay in school. I just remember having health insurance thru my school and never having to go to the hospital anyway. Besides isn’t that what medicaid was designed for lol

ME: In essence, no. Also, most college aged students, unfortunately do NOT qualify for Medicaid, because they do have part time jobs that do not provide insurance. Also, Medicaid has certain provisions that one must meet to qualify. Which is why they extended the age, to allow insurance for these individuals (who don’t qualify for Medicaid). Also, non disabled single adults 21-64 years old, must make less than $706/month to qualify. When I had a 20 hr/week job or seasonal job, I made more than that at minimum wage in 1992 & 1999.

Explanation: The purpose of Medicaid is to provide medical assistance on behalf of families with dependent children and of aged, blind, or individuals with disabilities, whose income and resources are insufficient to meet the costs of necessary medical acute care and long-term care services. States have the option to participate in this State-Federal partnership and have the flexibility to design a program that meets the specific needs of its population within statutory guidelines.

Evidence: Medicaid was created in 1965 as a jointly funded Federal-State (including the District of Columbia and the Territories) health care insurance program for certain low-income families, the indigent aged, and individuals with disabilities. State participation in the Medicaid Program is voluntary; however, all States have participated since 1982.

This comes from a friend from Texas:

Comment:  Letter to Representative Henry Cuellar,

I am deeply saddened to hear that you voted to ruin the best health care system in the world. I’m not saying it is without faults, but if you look around at other countries with similar systems you’ll see that the citizens who can afford it leave their “free” health care to come here for treatment. What is needed is TORT reform to make health care more affordable by putting an end to frivolous lawsuits that drive up costs.
While I do follow politics avidly, I usually don’t engage actively in campaigns. That will be changing as a result of your vote on this matter. I will be actively campaigning for whomever is running against you and anyone else who didn’t have the guts to stand up for the beliefs of their constituents and voted with this president who brought Chicago-style corruption to Washington D.C.

Thank you for your time, but not your representation.

ME: I’m sorry, but best health care system in the world? According to the World Health Organization we rank #37. Behind the following countries: France (1), Oman (8), Colombia (22), Saudi Arabia (26), Costa Rica (36). But I admire that you vocalized your displeasure with your representative.

#2: Bryan Underwood is running against Cuellar. I am sure he would appreciate your support. Good for you on speaking out, C.

#3: Great letter C. I voiced my opinion in the beginning to Mr Cuellar that i oppose this, but it doesn’t matter what the people say…for now. I will not support any representative that voted for this either. The WHO is a PINKO commy organization anyways… I’m surprised they have us that high.

Original Commenter: I appreciate your view Kari, but the WHO is no better than the organization from which it started, the United Nations. They both have their own agenda and neither should be trusted implicitly. Socialized medicine is the beginning of the end of freedom and liberty. Once a citizenry is reliant on the government for their health, the government has control over their lives, literally, and can force it’s will on them much easier. I don’t see or hear of Americans going to any of the countries you named to take advantage of their “superior” health care systems.

#4: There are an overwhelming number of ultra-liberal professors who spawn impressionable students globally who generate whatever statistic pleases their mentor. Stating anything else is naïveté

Bottom line is the country is in the hands of day dreamers and basket weavers without focus on the reality of the numbers. A fine illusion was created to sell this bill but we will soon realize and be forced to live in the delusional reality of the president’s half-baked health care fantasy

#5: as opposed to the jack off who fucked off billions in budget surplus for a trillion dollar deficit for more tax breaks for the rich, and a idiotic war of revenge to prove w had a bigger dick than his old man didnt do a thing to wreck our economy-torturing people, holding children indefinately with out trial, listening to peoples phone calls without a warrant and wiping their ass with the constitution oo-o8 didnt even rate on the ‘begining of the end’ radar for you folks, but a huge give away to the insurance companies that might see a few more poor people not have to go bankrupt over medical bills is ‘socialized medicine’ you wouldnt know socialism if it bit you on the ass. tax breaks for businesses? socialism. govt subsidies? socialism. trade barriers? socialism. its all such whining. oh noes! poor people might get help from the government-the world as we know it is ending! wah-wah-wah

#6: I love it C! I am ready to start a revolution! I am a nurse in this health care world and I know nurses from other countries who say socialized medicine is the worst. People wait years for MRI and CT scans. The doctors are over worked and few and far between. The government decides who, when, if, why and. where you get your medical care. Oh but the politicians always get it! I am not an avid follower of politics but you can bet your ass that I will be from here on out! I am so sick of this president and his arrogance and narcisistic Bull shit! Wake up America!

#4: This isn’t a comparison and any past deeds are gone. Just accept the fact this admin is a bunch of dreamers and get over it.

#6: To #5, I guess you have already forgotten about 9-11. Iraq was harboring terrorist that is a fact and it is better to fight them here in Iraq than in our backyard! What children are you referring to that we are holding..the ones making IED’s..They aren’t children …enemy combatants – maybe. Bush started this BS bailout but that doesn’t mean the next president needs to run with it. I hear some what you are saying ..we need to fix alot of these problems but no overhaul the best medical system in the world- that is flat stupid. Make the laws and fix the problems. People need to get off their ass make things better for themselves not depend on the working people of this country to pay the taxes so they don’t have to work. So now you can get unemployment or a welfare check, food stamps and get free healthcare..why do you need to work then?? There are too many entitlements with to many lazy ass not helping out..just look at Califorina- bankrupt…that is what we can expect if we don’t make changes!
#7: Great letter, C!! I too will be campaigning heavily against Cuellar!

#7: Yes, I agree with you, #6!! Look at the RED VS. BLUE states…..which are in better condition….I think that says it all.
#8: I made a phone call to cuellar and I dont even live in Seguin anymore!
OC to #5: I was hoping you’d give a valuable and informative commentary from someone on the left coast who lives in a state that can’t take care of their own business because of the socialist agenda forced on them by liberal politicians. We can see where it’s landed Cali and I don’t want that for the rest of the country. Small, limited government is what our country’s founding fathers had in mind and the dems don’t understand that. The “blame Bush”, “Bush lied” rhetoric is almost as tired as all the other name calling in politics. BHO, in his first year, has created more debt than all other presidents combined. He promised it would keep unemployment from going above 8% guess what… it didn’t even slow it down! The best way to help the poor is to get them jobs. Additional taxation has NEVER created jobs only made the poor more dependent on the gov’t… which is what a socialist gov’t requires.

*BLOGGERS NOTE* I grew up in Seguin, TX before going to college elsewhere in Texas. I still have several friends who live in Seguin, and the surrounding towns.

Once again, Kansas (and a comment from a Kansan now living in Colorado)

Comment: Taxation without representation, comes to mind!

#2: Looks like congress and the president have sealed their political fates.

#3: Dictator Obama lied, cheated, and stole and finally got what HE wanted. I thought he worked for us?

Me: I guess the voters had nothing to do with this? Seriously! People vote, someone loses, you can’t make everyone happy. At least they allowed people to make the choice on who was voting on what. If your congress/senate person didn’t vote the way you wanted, did you express your displeasure by writing them, or calling them? I know I have. The majority vote, represented the majority of people who voted these individuals into office. So, those who didn’t get their person in office are going to feel slighted. That’s the way of government. Some of the people some of the time, not all of the people all of the time, comes to mind.

#3: We had a whole huge petition that went around here in Colorado so our Rep. would vote against it. It was huge and all over the news…didn’t matter she voted for it anyways and now everyone is on the band wagon to make sure she doesn’t get reelected. Just another sign they don’t vote the way their people want them too. So we feel slighted and we did have our person in office, but she had her own agenda.

#4: I am thinking that it is time to elect a whole slate of candidates with NO political experience. Get rid of all the sharks and replace them with guppies!

Here are a few from those friends of mine who aren’t opposed. These come from New York, mostly.  (Warning: some may find the sarcasm offensive. Here is your only warning.)

Original Comment: Oh my God, you guys. HCR passed tonight and already they’re kicking down doors and dragging people into the streets to bring them before the Death Panels. Palin was right, it’s like “Logan’s Run” out there!

#2: I legit lold

#3: the fact that this is going to ruin at least 2 future Glenn Beck sexual encounters is good enough for me.

OC: Must be the tickle-fights.

#3: The very large multinational company I work for has gone bankrupt. So has any smaller business. People are having abortions in the streets. I think I saw someone feasting on a fetus.

OC: That was me. I was starving because I’d already lost my job because they went bankrupt too.

#4: Guys, I just saw one of Obama’s evil robots (Obamatons) eat Sam Waterston’s medicine. Those SNL skits were prophetic after all!

ME: It’s insane! Dogs & cats living together! Mass hysteria!

#5: God help the elderly with this health care bill

ME: Oh yeah, because Medicaid Part D is such a great program right now. I like to eat donuts, but I prefer not to get stuck in a donut hole when it comes to my prescriptions, which increase as you get older. This program all but eliminated that donut hole, so yes, I think there’s been an improvement.

I will be updating this throughout the day, so come back and visit to see what other things I see, and comment on.  Feel free to comment yourself here.

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About Kari

I live in the Capital Region of NY, work for NYS, and am just beginning to blog. I was recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, so that's going to take up some content. I've been writing for as long as I can remember, and I am an opinionated person. Thus there will be some items that burn me up, that I simply want to play devil's advocate, or daily/personal items. I also Tweet (@Marilyth) when the mood strikes me in 140 characters or less. I'm doing this for fun, and I hope other appreciate the information and contribute!
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18 Responses to Health Care Reform

  1. Robin Thomas says:

    I look forward to seeing your comments throughout the day. A friend of mine compared this bill to the Civil Rights Bill: it wasn’t perfect, but passing it was necessary to start implementing needed reform in this country.

    • Kari says:

      Yeah. I found some other comments that equate Obama with a dictator, and the WHO as a pico commy organization. It’s interesting to say the least. And it’s all coming from the same part of the country. Hmmmmmm…

      • Chip says:

        Just curious, where would you rather be treated for a life threatening disease, let’s say cancer? M.D. Anderson or Oman? Saudi Arabia? France? Costa Rica?

  2. Kari says:

    Actually, since no country has the end-all be-all cure for cancer, I can honestly say that France has as good of a chance as M.D. Anderson. In my situation, I prefer to be treated in the country in which I live (the U.S.) I also have insurance. I am not among the uninsured (for which this reform is for), so it’s a moot point.

    The other countries higher than us on the scale, who have the highest survival rates for cancer are Japan, Australia, and Canada. Oman and Saudia Arabia rated higher than a Canada and Australia, so it looks as if it’s not the health care system that determines the survival rate of certain conditions.

    Did you know that Europe approved the HPV Vaccine, for Cervical Cancer, long before it was proposed in the United States? My friend who lives in Belgium works for the company that created it, and knew of it’s use for nearly 10 years before it came here. She kept me up to date on its progress, and her hopes that it would come to the U.S.

    Were you also aware, that these countries will treat visitors to their hospitals for free? The United States only treats “visitors” with valid Visa’s through their emergency services. If they have to be hospitalized for any stretch of time, they are sent back to their home country, which in come cases may be better for them financially than treatment in the U.S.

    • Chip says:

      If you think that your current health insurance won’t be affected by this legislation, I’m afraid you’re going to be sadly mistaken. A single payer system, that payer being the federal gov’t (which is what BHO is pushing for), will force it’s rules on everyone else.
      The long periods for drug approval in the U.S. are a direct result of the fear of frivolous lawsuits. TORT reform would decrease the cost of insurance, making it more affordable for everyone.
      I think comparing how those countries treat “visitors” to how we treat illegal immigrants is like comparing apples and oranges. They don’t have the huge numbers to deal with that we do. If the entire 11+ million people living in Paris (about the same # of illegals in the U.S.) were there illegally, would France be so willing to provide medical care to them for free? No. There’s no way they could.

      • Kari says:

        I was not referring to illegals, I was referring to those people who have legitimate B-Visa’s (they’re here legally). What’s ironic, is that in many states, illegal children, have the opportunity to get state-sponsored health insurance, not Medicaid. So, the visitor issue is a direct comparison, as illegals would be an apples to oranges comparison, but I was not referring to illegals.

      • Chip says:

        Ok, I misinterpreted your comment on visitors. However, the cost of treating illegals directly effects the overall cost of health care. If we didn’t have to pay to feed, clothe, educate, house, and provide health care to 11+ million illegals it would be much more feasible to provide care for those here legally.

      • Kari says:

        I don’t disagree! I work for a state that provides insurance for children of illegal immigrants, and even though I don’t agree with that aspect of the program per se, I work for that bureau, and I do my job. This practice was in force when we had a Republican Governor at the helm, so I think it was also a political move, with the number of legal immigrants who vote, who have family here who are illegal.

      • Chip says:

        Cool! Glad we’ve found some common ground! 🙂 I just don’t understand why someone who sees first hand the problem that illegal immigration causes would want to make things worse by extending those benefits to those who are breaking the law to get them. Wouldn’t decreasing costs by ending frivolous lawsuits and only covering those here legally make more sense than a complete overhaul by a government that has shown time and time again that they are inefficient and inept?

      • Kari says:

        I had a well thought response, but it was eaten by my computer system. Regardless, unfortunately, as someone who works amidst the political machine, I don’t make the decisions on how our policies are implemented. It is my job to see that the contract is not violated by the plans I oversee.

        As an individual, I have a right to vote on such actions, when brought to the public forum. However, as a state worker, I don’t have that luxury. There are also other things that NY State has issue with, and those started long before I got here.

        I agree that TORT Reform would be a good issue to address, however I’m not sure if that political battle is on the agenda, as it has not been for quite some time. It seems that politicians don’t like to tackle issues that they may lose. Frustrating, but true. Which is why many go by their own agenda, regardless of backlash.

        We live in a litigious society. It’s up to the judges whether or not to allow these lawsuits through the court system. It seems that anyone can sue anyone else for any reason, it just has to get past the judge. It’s a sad, sorry state of affairs.

        The reform now is a change. Historically people fear change. But if we do not change history, we are destined to repeat it, and our history doesn’t have the greatest track record right now. I’m open to see how this plays out, but I can’t judge until it’s in the works. I learned this when I supported No Child Left Behind as a concept, but was disappointed with its inception. In my opinion it did not work, and that was after watching it in practice for three years in an administrative capacity in Texas under Bush’s leadership, and in Nebraska during his Presidency.

        Like that administration, things can change with the change in leadership. Right now, to the dissatisfaction of the Republicans, the Democrats lead the House and Senate. Anywhere in the next two to four years, that may change. Hence, some of the reform proposals may change as well.

        I’m probably being too optimistic, but it’s one thing that allows me to tolerate some of the self-serving actions of the politicians that supposedly speak for the majority.

  3. Jes says:

    Hey Kari,
    Glad you’re posting the threads of different people’s opinions on the issue. I’ve been watching friends from all over the country going back and forth arguing the extremes of each side since last night.

    • Kari says:

      I too am interested, and since I didn’t get response to the previous post, I thought the FB comments would be a good source. They actually are. I’m being good at not putting names on these, because even though they are on FB, and their names are there, does not mean they want the world to see their names.

      There are some valid points here, but some are (IMHO) ridiculous, and moot. I’m waiting for another friend to pop in and educate me, because he & I have lively debates, and I am curious about his opinion.

  4. Sara says:

    Just a bit of history (from a history major)…”One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project, most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it. Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.” Ronald Reagan 1961

    • Kari says:

      This was before the Medicaid, Social Services, and Medicare programs were developed and in place in 1965. I wonder what Reagan thought when he was president. I need to find the documentation about his views on health care reform, because I know it’s not all on the Democratic side. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to that without some research.

      • Sara says:

        Here is the sentence that followd the quote I posted in the New Yorker article, “This was Ronald Reagan, in 1961, speaking in opposition to an early version of Medicare, the big federal health-insurance program for senior citizens.”

        I am looking for his position during his presidency and will let you know what I find. Alas, I’ve gotten busy at work & haven’t had much time…

      • Kari says:

        Thanks Sara. I actually saw someone posted the YouTube link of the audio of this speech. As I too am at work, I didn’t think it was wise to try to listen to it.

  5. Sara says:

    Damn employers! Hee Hee

  6. Matt Lindahl says:

    Barack Obama together with all his socialist mafia ought to be embarrassed with themselves. This is certainly a total outrage. I’d been under the idea that the moment the chief executive takes office he must make an oath that will uphold and also defend the constitution of the us. Nowhere inside the Constitution does it provide the administration the authority to be able to enact or impose legislation such as the health reform bill. It’s my opinion that these power mongers are going to be in for a total shock come November. Best wishes regarding demise of your political career.

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